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can an nde be funny

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I'm gonna tell a story the last time I

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drank piss

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Gideon Jessa Reed she's Our Guest today

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when I got addicted to math it was kind

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of an accident and then I was actually

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relieved like when when my family was

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like don't go down this path you know

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I felt so disillusioned with

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the reality where I'm just like

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everyone's when I got old enough to find

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out that magic wasn't real I'm like so

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life is just working a job that you hate

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so that you can afford a house you don't

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give a [\h__\h] about so you can stay in a

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relationship that's already done of

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course like let me off of this train

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meth addiction cool

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this was a fantastic conversation I hope

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics I'm your host Alex akaris

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and today we welcome

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comedian podcaster Jessa Reed to

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skeptico

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Jessa welcome thanks for being here

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thanks for having me you know um

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I love when listeners help me

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uh book guests or you know recommend

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guests and then particularly I always

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put people on the spot I go hey you

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reach out you know if it works then get

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them involved so Rob did that but I kind

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of feel like the more I got into this I

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kind of felt like two people were

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getting forced into a blind date you

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know it's like

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okay you know it might be exciting and

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good but it might not work so uh

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cool cool tell folks about yourself uh

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probably most of my listeners you know a

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few of them have been are familiar with

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you on the scene and you know I'm all

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about spirituality deep into the whole

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Alien I hate the term alien but you know

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what are we gonna do ET

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contact experience especially from an

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extended Consciousness standpoint super

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into nde we've probably done 100 shows

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on nde science and all that stuff so we

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have a lot of points of intersection

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tell people jump us into this what you

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do what you're all about

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pretty uh primarily focus on the

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elevation of consciousness I hate the

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words for all of this stuff I imagine

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you probably feel the same I don't

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resonate with the New Age movement but I

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feel like a lot of the things I'm

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talking about

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sound like they are from The New Age

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movement just

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I'll try to give the shortest version of

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this because it's all over the internet

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in longer versions I had a near-death

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experience in 2000 I was on a math

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Bender so I am as open to the idea that

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the experience I had as a result of this

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was some sort of psychosis but I had a

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near-death experience and I went back to

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a blue ball of light that explained that

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reality is some sort of

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game I guess for lack of a way to

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explain it and that the Consciousness

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that had been playing the game on this

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planet had been playing all the way back

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to the dinosaurs and that we were about

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to switch to a different game

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near-death experience I was given the

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to the physical reality I chose to come

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year of really regretting that decision

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blue ball of light a couple of times it

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that I I still saw reality of something

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um and for the next five years while on

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drugs I communicated with I call them

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aliens just because I think it's funny

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they are interpreted but my experience

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version of us or an extension of us

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very benevolent and seemed very invested

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in the process of Consciousness on Earth

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taught were intended to assist

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process that I now believe we are in

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great so terrific and there's a million

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jumping off points there many of which

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orientation from this was first and

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this kind of non-dual sensibility but I

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success driven you know kind of thing

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picture questions who are we why are we

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the way to do that was through science

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give us a leg up and I had an inkling

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messing with the recipe there and they

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weren't playing the game right but I

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still went there and I'm glad I did so I

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kind of interviewed a ton of people in

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the parapsychology area to try and

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understand what Consciousness is the

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science is lying about Consciousness why

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they're ignoring all these experiments

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that kind of established this whole idea

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that there is this extended

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culture throughout time has recognized

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it why are we in particular kind of

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denying that and that was kind of

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conspiracy number one is just kind of

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the fake science around Consciousness

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experience stuff and then the ET stuff

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standpoint of if you just follow the

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freaking data it's kind of undeniable I

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Soviet Union and we get their secret

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files they go yeah they turned them on

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you the message like don't play with

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those toys you're playing with so

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experience but whatever gets you there

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reality what I've always been about and

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lightning rod to throw at you is you

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comedians are taking the truth out of

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truther movement you know we're supposed

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to be about trying to figure out as best

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we can what is real and I'll put the air

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quotes on that because obviously the the

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fundamental understanding it that you

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get from this no matter what direction

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definite non-reality to this whole thing

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material to make fun of

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making fun of it you definitely aren't

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making fun of it so look look I could I

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could play this two ways I could say and

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to send them to you and I was like it's

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being a little too cheeky but like on

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movement and then you could turn around

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expanding the truth or Movement by

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whatever you want to call truth or

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parents were in and everyone we can

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the near-death experience and study like

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Dr Gregory shushan and what he's done

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across culture across time so he has

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experiences from China and then these

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culture so to me that's like a truth

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to try and play this game that we can

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figure this stuff out to some degree

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comedians are not doing that but

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understanding of Truth and this is just

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my perspective is that like it's a giant

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a disco ball and each one of us is one

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of those tiny squares and that most of

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opposite side of this circle that

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encompasses truth and just arguing Ad

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nauseam about what is real

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insecurity in them but

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throughout

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my life what I have

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come to find is that whenever I have a

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very rigid idea of how

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things need to play out for the

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Awakening or what people need to to see

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the truth or whatever I I zoom out over

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time and experience find out that my

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rigid

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idea of how this needs to play out

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wasn't actually

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honoring this kind of trickster element

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in Consciousness and so now I'm just at

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this point

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you know I woke up in 2000 and I was

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very attached to how this kind of

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collective Awakening you know and you go

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through the thing I went through the

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hardcore

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wild conspiracies theory phase you know

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because you wake up and you feel oh my

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god I've been lied to and now you're

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looking for it everywhere and you're

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also filtering it through I think the

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trauma healing has to be a huge part of

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this because otherwise you're projecting

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your Darkness onto everything and

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everything looks like a hand-wringing

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conspiracy rather than what I call a

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tiny a million tiny agendas where this

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kind of trickster element plays out in

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reality because everyone's focused on

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their one little tiny thing

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um and it and it I don't know I'm

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starting to get to the point where I'm

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like there are no external enemies we're

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all just playing in this game together

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um but so no I don't

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I think if you're talking about

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opposition in comedy I think that some

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of us are meant to be what I think you

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resonate with which is more kind of data

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driven

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quantifiable or challenging what is

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quantifiable kind of pushing in that

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more kind of masculine energy and others

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of us are supposed to be in the more

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fluid artistic philosopher

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and those things coming up against each

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other is how we get to truce

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yeah there's a lot there's a lot there

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to really kind of uh work through so

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like again fundamentally I come at this

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from a kind of non-dual perspective the

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disco ball perspective the bubble in the

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ocean you know it's just a bubble in the

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ocean and it just dissolves back into

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the ocean and don't get too worked up

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about it

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but then I guess I I when I take that I

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Go part of the reason why I believe that

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is because The Reincarnation research

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done at University of Virginia that was

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carefully done for years and years by

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all these and published and

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peer-reviewed papers and I go I point to

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that and I go that makes me kind of

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confident in that reality that I

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understand is a reality and I'd say the

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same thing about the near-death

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experience with Gregory shushan or other

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people so

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one of the what I guess I was pointing

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to when I was talking about the truther

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movement is I didn't awaken to the

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conspiracy stuff for kind of a long time

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I was just kind of I was oblivious and I

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was kind of going down this other path

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but then I did have that process of when

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you wake up to the conspiracy thing

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you're like oh my God you know

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everything is kind of a conspiracy so

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I'm going off on a long thing but the

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point is

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you have to dig to get to that truth

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that truth isn't just

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revealed to you as a matter of fact it's

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hidden in all these different ways that

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you have to figure out so that is very

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non-discobalish kind of thing that is

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like here now you know Bitcoin I heard

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you talking about you know one of my

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favorite movies too The Big Short on a

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thing you just did that's very Third

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Dimension as Jessa likes to say this

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world and I just I just think that has

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to be preserved in this process because

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if we just kind of jump past that then

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we're all just kind of making stuff up

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I I agree with that I think that one of

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my

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one of the things that frustrates me

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about spirituality while I do think a

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lot of focus needs to be

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placed on raising your awareness in this

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moment if that's coming naturally to you

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A lot of people are going through an

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Awakening right now and it's a process

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and it takes up a lot of bandwidth but I

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think there is this fantasy that

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spirituality is about escaping reality

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and so they're looking for this it

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becomes a new postponed happiness it

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becomes a way to dissociate from the

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reality that you're currently living in

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I don't know that I would agree that

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everyone needs to get to the Bottom of

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Everything some people you know that's

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not their Department some people are

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just raising kids other people are

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revolutionizing medicine other people

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are you know I the way that my mind

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works you can put data in front of me

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and my brain will be in outer space five

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seconds later I can't listen to podcasts

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I don't have I don't have a uh a great

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capacity for taking in information and

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processing it my partner on the other

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hand 10 podcasts a day you can read a

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book in a day and a half and then he

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gives me the cliffs and then I

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immediately forget it and then I process

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it and then I think I came up with it a

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week later

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um so I do think there are

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in the disco ball there are some people

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who are bringing into our Collective

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awareness this truth and looking at

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things from a different perspective

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because that comes naturally to you and

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because that is

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um

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not to be like follow your bliss but

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that is where your energy is kind of

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naturally taken and there it there is a

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slightly Evangelical

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um

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thing for a lot of people looking at

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conspiracy and I mean the full range

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from flatter to just the government yeah

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of course the government come on

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um but is this kind of Evangelical kind

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of proselytizing kinds of and I've been

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there sky is falling I need everyone

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else to know this and what I came to see

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is that people can't hear what they're

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not supposed to hear and they're either

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not supposed to hear it because they're

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not they they haven't opened their they

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don't have enough space for it yet or

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they're not supposed to hear it because

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it's not their thing or because they're

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programmed you know conspiracy theories

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now a dirty word right you you put these

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is the same thing with the New Age

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movement I have to change the language I

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use all the time because after a while a

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word or phrase comes to mean something

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that shuts down the critical factor in

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people's minds so they're not

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it immediately closes their mind so

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trying to

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have conversations about some of these

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subjects I've learned like I I drop

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words and switch to a different language

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but I've also just really released the

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need to have anyone else believe

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anything that they are not ready to

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believe because I don't believe

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we're never going to homogenize

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Consciousness we just have to master the

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unity so I agree I think it's both I

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think it's when it comes to changing

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other people it's the mirror ball when

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it comes to my own personal life and

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existence focused here in the third

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dimension

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so that's cool let me tie it down to an

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example because like so many of the

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things that you're saying

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I've found to be incredibly not just

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true but powerful you know so I'm drawn

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to a lot of things you're saying but

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then I want to like show you why I think

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uh how I buy how I got there and how I

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back that up because at the same time

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that I want to call out these other

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things and say wait you haven't you

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haven't convinced me over this Edge so

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like I think your process of

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reintegration after your nde is really

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interesting and you know the first

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researcher to ever really draw that out

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was a woman named Dr pmh Atwater she's

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older now but she is really brilliant

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she's a real firecracker she because she

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kind of Riles people up she's a very

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solid researcher PhD but she started

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when the near-death experience

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experience thing first hit it was all

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love and light and the other thing it

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was it was prone to be co-opted by

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Christians you know like hey we told you

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we told you and there's Jesus you know

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and I even told you like the one guy I

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interviewed he's like and this guy was

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really dead he was in the morgue for 20

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minutes and he saw Jesus and then he was

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convinced afterwards that if you didn't

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see Jesus

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then Satan was running the show and your

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near-death experience so in my the guy's

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name is Ian McCormick in my interview

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with Michael and you know your spiritual

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experience your journey great buddy but

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I got to tell you the data is not in

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your favor if you go look at a thousand

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people that have had near-death

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experience

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here are the things that are similar

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here are the things that are different

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but that

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jesus-centric Jesus only kind of thing

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is very very rare so I'm not telling you

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that isn't your experience I'm just

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telling you that you know so what the

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other thing that pmh Atwater did though

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is she got past the kind of just light

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and love of the new death experience and

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said this is [\h__\h] people up people

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are coming back they're having a super

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high divorce rate are having depression

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are having this period where they go

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through where they're evangelizing like

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you're saying they just have to grab

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everything go you don't know the light

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is out there you know kind of thing and

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then like that's a real thing and then

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if you go talk to you know some of the

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people who've been in the wisdom

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Traditions like in India or something

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like that they go oh man that's what

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happens you know you have this people

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have this Kundalini experience and we

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have to just kind of put them over there

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and just kind of take care of them and

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just quietly leave them alone for six

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months and they kind of come back around

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kind of thing well to me that is

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incredibly

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important to understanding this whole

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thing but it takes a level of

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of wanting to get there not everyone's

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truth is equal not everyone everyone's

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opinion is equally valid and then if you

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add to that the [\h__\h] deception where

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they are intentionally trying to mislead

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intentionally trying to misinform I I'm

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just passionate about trying to

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understand that Battlefield that we're

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on because I think it is

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necessary to kind of navigate these

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truths

553
00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:40,799
yeah I think that that I

554
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:42,840
the stuff about

555
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:44,460
interesting I've never

556
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,679
really I definitely was yeah the

557
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:48,480
integration was difficult I am so

558
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:50,280
grateful that I the a the internet

559
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:52,860
didn't exist but there was no social

560
00:22:59,649 --> 00:22:56,460
media and that I was just kind of

561
00:23:03,710 --> 00:22:59,659
underground with other drug addicts but

562
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:03,720
I I think the discernment

563
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,280
is really the only way that those things

564
00:23:14,409 --> 00:23:11,520
will be seen and that no amount of

565
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:14,419
information or

566
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:19,080
data or explanation will

567
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:21,000
change the minds if that's what we're

568
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:24,659
looking for of people who like cannot

569
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,559
yet

570
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:28,080
see it you know

571
00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:30,120
um and that's just been my experience as

572
00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:33,419
someone who when I woke up you know

573
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:35,460
raised on like movies in the 90s where

574
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:37,080
all you had to do when you got the piece

575
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:39,299
of Truth was get to the newspaper and if

576
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,620
they could get it printed it was going

577
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:42,179
to come out you know and you have this

578
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,799
moment where you go oh that's [\h__\h]

579
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,840
that the newspaper is actually owned by

580
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:47,700
the corporations that own the rest of us

581
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:51,179
cool okay but also people can't hear

582
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,720
what they haven't been initiated to and

583
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:56,400
I'm not I don't mean that in a

584
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:57,960
hierarchical better than anyone else

585
00:24:03,529 --> 00:23:59,400
type way

586
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,539
but it's a version of reality that until

587
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:06,120
you have

588
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,279
I see ears to hear I think is what that

589
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,919
meant you it's it's Charlie Brown's

590
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:16,080
teacher and then you just and then you

591
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:18,299
get like not you but like we get like

592
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:20,520
trying to explain it and then we sound

593
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,299
nuts you know and so there it is this

594
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:26,400
I do believe there is subjective and

595
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:29,460
objective truth and then also we are

596
00:24:36,769 --> 00:24:33,659
having an individual experience where

597
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,779
in this realm so yes in the in the in

598
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,640
the 12th Dimension we're all one but in

599
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:40,080
the third dimension you and I are two

600
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:41,700
totally different people

601
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:45,120
and to a certain degree do these things

602
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,400
need to be known like do I need to let

603
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,740
people know about what the government's

604
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:50,640
doing

605
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:53,220
I don't know can I do much about it

606
00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:55,740
if they aren't at a place to see that

607
00:25:01,549 --> 00:24:58,020
for themselves they're probably not

608
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,559
going to believe me and I am going to

609
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:04,080
blow out my own nervous system trying to

610
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:05,880
bring someone to a place of awareness

611
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,460
that I personally just believe is an

612
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:10,679
expansion of your own Consciousness the

613
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,260
ability to hold paradox you know the

614
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,120
ability to see your own

615
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,240
how your own prejudices and attachments

616
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:20,400
and desires

617
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,440
you know a lot of people want to go back

618
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:23,760
to normal because they want to go back

619
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:26,340
to normal and they're like shush I don't

620
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,200
want to hear that we are living through

621
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:30,120
the collapse of the civilization or the

622
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,980
apocalypse because I just want to go

623
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:34,080
back I just got a raise right before all

624
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,380
this [\h__\h] started you know so um sorry I

625
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,360
just go on [\h__\h] rants you just have

626
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,279
to no no no no no no not at all because

627
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:43,919
that's all because in a way what you

628
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,620
just articulated was kind of from the

629
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:49,260
beginning my option b which is like

630
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,539
shut up [\h__\h] you know we are doing

631
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,240
more anyone who's doing the work of

632
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:56,700
expanding Awakening

633
00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:00,179
tearing down paradigms is doing the good

634
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,500
work so don't get caught up in

635
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,360
process and even if people are going off

636
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,880
track and kind of saying

637
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:10,500
things that are weird it's like I always

638
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:12,059
get in this thing with flat Earth you

639
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,740
know and it just bugs the [\h__\h] out of me

640
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,559
because it's like it's so stupid you

641
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:18,480
know from a scientific it's just so

642
00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:21,240
stupid and then the coddling of people

643
00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:22,679
you know well I'm just going to be

644
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:25,640
spherically neutral please don't

645
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:29,159
unsubscribe you know it's like how are

646
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,940
you gonna be able to make the decision

647
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:34,740
as to whether or not you should let them

648
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,100
jab your kids with the bio weapon gene

649
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:40,500
therapy because that's a decision you're

650
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:42,539
gonna have to make

651
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:45,000
and it's like a real life decision that

652
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,400
could be like life or death for your

653
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:50,400
kids so how are you going to make that

654
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:52,380
decision if you can't even [\h__\h]

655
00:26:58,690 --> 00:26:55,559
figure out that the satellites aren't

656
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,700
kept afloat by helium balloons I mean

657
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:01,020
you know I mean I understand that these

658
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:02,580
people can still walk into a gum at the

659
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:03,659
same time they carry on a good

660
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:05,340
conversation but it's like I want to

661
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:06,539
like

662
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:12,600
yourself if that's where you're at

663
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:13,860
um I love that you're just saying all

664
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,140
this I I am

665
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,419
from the

666
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:20,880
the group consciousness

667
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:23,820
on Earth and have been for most of my

668
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:27,720
life so I I'm like whoa all that stuff's

669
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:29,340
those conversations are happening that's

670
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:31,080
very interesting

671
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:36,059
um I don't think that I mean hold on

672
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:37,740
those are those are within our Circle

673
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,140
our tiny little circle those topics are

674
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:43,140
mainstream Sam tripley who I love Sam

675
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:44,700
triplet because I love a spiritual show

676
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:48,120
zero uh Eddie Bravo you know he's a I

677
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:50,700
mean Joe Rogan will allow this kind of

678
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,260
conversation I can go down the list

679
00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:54,659
Duncan Trussel you know these are like

680
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:57,620
conversations that they have there's no

681
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,520
there there's no injecting any kind of

682
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:04,380
reality to any of that and I I'm just

683
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:06,600
saying that doesn't serve us I think

684
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:10,380
because you know the the bio weapon gene

685
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:14,760
therapy thing is [\h__\h] serious attempt

686
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,640
to you know further that agenda and I'm

687
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:19,380
I'm all for jumping out of the dimension

688
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,000
and saying to me from a spiritual

689
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:22,799
perspective I don't get too worked up

690
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,500
about it because it doesn't matter but

691
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:27,600
from uh you know I I think we gotta try

692
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:30,260
try and do better than that

693
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,860
I

694
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:34,799
um don't touch that topic with a 10 foot

695
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:37,380
Bowl because I just it's it's

696
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,500
everybody's decision of how they want to

697
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:43,320
perceive the entirety of what's going on

698
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:46,380
is none of my business and also as

699
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:49,260
someone who has

700
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:50,100
um

701
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:51,779
I didn't see I have really mixed

702
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:56,340
feelings about about changing anyone's

703
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:01,679
minds or affecting anyone's world view

704
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:03,240
and this is a difficult part about

705
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,919
talking into microphones for a living

706
00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:06,840
and something that I have I I was

707
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,059
brazenly talking in microphones before I

708
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:11,039
started to see reflected back to me like

709
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:13,020
oh there are certain people who are

710
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:14,940
making decisions about their own life

711
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,700
based on stuff that I say and I got kind

712
00:29:21,889 --> 00:29:19,620
of overwhelmed by that responsibility

713
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:21,899
and I have to check in with myself all

714
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:23,460
the time and say like why am I doing

715
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,380
this what what makes me what makes my

716
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:30,600
heart sing what resonates with me I I

717
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:32,700
don't love the attention

718
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:37,140
I really I get uneasy with the

719
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,760
um

720
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,559
pedestalization because it feels

721
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,200
terrifying and false and it's hard for

722
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:45,120
me to have a bunch of different versions

723
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,919
of Me based on other people's

724
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:49,320
projections but more than anything I'm

725
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,620
terrified of somebody going against

726
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:54,960
their own personal truth because I'm

727
00:30:02,029 --> 00:29:57,539
charismatic

728
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:02,039
um debatable I so anything that involves

729
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,620
people's this is why I just really for

730
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:07,440
me personally stay very zoomed out

731
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:10,919
from because I'm wrong I'm wrong all the

732
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:15,120
time so I stay very zoomed out from hard

733
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:17,220
and that's not to say anyone else is

734
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,360
doing the wrong thing but all all I

735
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:23,279
think I'm interested in

736
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:24,899
is

737
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:27,840
providing to people validation

738
00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,620
for the process of Awakening because the

739
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:33,539
the mainstream reality the old

740
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:34,740
constructs will tell you that you're

741
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:36,860
losing your mind

742
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,039
and providing a kind of levity to the

743
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:43,440
process because we all kind of get up

744
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:45,419
our own ass about spirituality we take

745
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,820
it way too [\h__\h] seriously and

746
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,100
everything that I've ever encountered in

747
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:53,760
the higher Dimensions is very funny it's

748
00:30:58,009 --> 00:30:56,340
very funny it's [\h__\h] your dumb problems

749
00:31:01,009 --> 00:30:58,019
you know

750
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,019
um and then that kind of stuff that's

751
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,880
for no matter what my opinions are

752
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:04,559
that's for other people to figure out

753
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:07,980
and I think Flat Earth is I've looked

754
00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:11,940
into none of this by the way I but but

755
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:13,580
Flat Earth is at least people

756
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,059
challenging known reality so who cares I

757
00:31:23,409 --> 00:31:20,940
mean does it change anything

758
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:23,419
you know yeah

759
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,659
well you know so there's uh a couple

760
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:30,480
things I mean one you you are

761
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,899
charismatic you know and the sage on the

762
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:35,220
stage thing

763
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:38,820
well you are you can't help it but the

764
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:41,399
sage on the stage thing is

765
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:43,620
Bravo you know for you to kind of

766
00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:46,740
acknowledge that and try and wrestle

767
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,659
that to the ground because I do get a

768
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,399
sense of that a genuine sense of that

769
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,440
like in listening to you like you're

770
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,260
kind of pulling back like you know wink

771
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,419
don't really believe all the [\h__\h]

772
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,519
I'm saying I mean believe is believe as

773
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:00,960
much as you can make useful for yourself

774
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,740
but so I I think that's you know a very

775
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:06,720
a very positive thing

776
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:08,940
but I do think there's

777
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:11,100
I I do think like

778
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,279
with the flatter thing I mean for one

779
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,279
Jesse you're not afraid to kind of share

780
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,380
your opinion and share your opinion

781
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,960
about certain individuals who you think

782
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:24,720
are not you know

783
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:27,419
tone the line or you know or trust fund

784
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:31,260
kids who are too focused on their

785
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:33,960
Robin Hood account and good porn you

786
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:35,640
know what I mean and it's like screw

787
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:37,740
that you know and wake up to come some

788
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,500
kind of spiritual reality so we're all

789
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,200
kind of multi-dimensional in that way

790
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,840
too is that we are kind of in each

791
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,480
other's face all the time so

792
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:50,700
I don't want you to step back from that

793
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:52,919
because you're in the game

794
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:55,320
yeah and I am I'm going through this

795
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,799
like annoying transformation where I'm

796
00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:01,440
learning about cptsd and Trauma

797
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:03,779
responses and it's really put a damper

798
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:07,740
on my hilarious [\h__\h] on other people

799
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:11,580
um the the references you're making uh

800
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:16,730
it was very difficult for me to even

801
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,179
start talking about this stuff publicly

802
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,159
I did not want to talk about this stuff

803
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:22,260
publicly is I had been awake in the

804
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,539
dream for 20 years kind of living under

805
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:26,940
whatever I didn't resonate with anyone

806
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:29,159
else who was saying anything close to it

807
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:30,299
so

808
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:32,760
and I was just a comedian on podcasts

809
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:34,380
and then I just kind of went to this

810
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,539
transformation where I came out and

811
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:38,159
started talking about this and then I

812
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:42,419
had my own fumbling through it and I

813
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:45,240
spent a lot of time early on making fun

814
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,679
of

815
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:49,679
people who do this for a living and you

816
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:51,539
know was I doing that because it needed

817
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:53,460
to be made fun of kind of I think one of

818
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,840
the things I made fun of was somebody

819
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,240
say I I do have an issue with trust fund

820
00:34:02,269 --> 00:33:59,580
babies teaching manifestation but

821
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:02,279
um was uh somebody saying that they're

822
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,779
they went up to the Fifth Dimension and

823
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:05,700
their guides told them to run a Black

824
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:12,829
are you in the retail Department

825
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,659
um but what has happened in the last

826
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:16,800
year

827
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,899
is I had multiple experiences where I

828
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:20,280
played the villain in someone else's

829
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:23,639
life and I thought I was right when I

830
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,800
was doing it I thought I was the victim

831
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:28,020
and when you have an experience like

832
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,040
that hopefully you will take that wisdom

833
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:34,079
of that paradox

834
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:36,179
where the movie that was playing in my

835
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:38,099
head I was the victim the movie that was

836
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,139
playing in their head I was the villain

837
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,960
then in defense of what I thought was in

838
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,839
defense of myself I became the villain I

839
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:47,820
played that role for them to be able to

840
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,320
hold those at the same time and go okay

841
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:50,879
well is

842
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,820
is this person

843
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,919
the villain that I have projected onto

844
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:58,020
them or they a traumatized person doing

845
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,119
the best they can and in learning about

846
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:02,460
cptsd I learned that

847
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,640
narcissism not the personality disorder

848
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:08,520
but that like entitlement and

849
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:09,180
um

850
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,260
uh demanding and controlling is a

851
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,359
mechanism of white trauma response and

852
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:17,880
that ghosting is a mechanism of the the

853
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:20,700
thought the flight trauma response I'm

854
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,859
butchering it and that people in the

855
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:24,960
Fallen trauma response they tell you yes

856
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:27,240
to whatever you want because they want

857
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,619
that thing to be over and all of a

858
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,240
sudden I go oh that guy who ghosted Me

859
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:32,820
Maybe not a huge hand-wringing [\h__\h]

860
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,220
oh this person over here who acted very

861
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:38,400
entitled was traumatized okay it's taken

862
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,160
the fun out of the external enemy

863
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:43,200
experience for me

864
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,560
and like I said I do

865
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,720
I don't have a I don't think I have

866
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:50,400
resonate with flat Earth

867
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:55,500
uh but I am so open to challenging all

868
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,780
constructs I love it including the ones

869
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:00,000
I hold dear

870
00:36:05,890 --> 00:36:03,420
um and not just switching from old

871
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:05,900
constructs to a new

872
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,240
homogenized uh this is the set of rules

873
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:12,240
and we're sticking to it so

874
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:14,099
um you know I know the other subject is

875
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:18,119
is very charged and and I just don't for

876
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:20,820
many reasons just I don't want to have

877
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,200
anything to do with that conversation

878
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:23,940
but

879
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,520
um I'm not sure that like do I need to

880
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:28,560
control what other people do with their

881
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:30,540
a lot I didn't

882
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:35,099
yeah I mean well like one of the things

883
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:36,540
you say that I think is like

884
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:38,220
fundamentally true and here's the way I

885
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:41,339
would put it like so Flat Earth is is

886
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,220
stupid okay so scientifically it's just

887
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,040
a stupid idea and you hear it and you go

888
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:50,579
oh my God now the counter to that in my

889
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,400
opinion is statistically I would be

890
00:36:59,650 --> 00:36:56,160
willing to bet that people who are flat

891
00:37:03,710 --> 00:36:59,660
earthers are dramatically statistically

892
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:03,720
significantly less likely to be injected

893
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:06,900
by the bio weapon gene therapy thing

894
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,500
right so it's like oh is that really a

895
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:12,599
bad thing I mean you're a flat earther

896
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,540
but you saw through this other [\h__\h]

897
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:17,760
because you had this Uber empiricism

898
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,380
thing like hey I don't believe anything

899
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,839
unless somebody shows it to me and that

900
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,000
turns out to be from a kind of practical

901
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:26,160
strategy standpoint in the world we live

902
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:30,599
in probably a better overall strategy so

903
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:34,020
I'm kind of with you in that respect but

904
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:35,700
it's still

905
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,220
stupid and I think you I just think we

906
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:40,079
have to kind of

907
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,260
find find that terrain that we're gonna

908
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,800
uh flower and then plant and water and

909
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:49,200
that is that we can find discernment

910
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:51,960
this way and we can call

911
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:54,900
stupid [\h__\h] stupid and that's okay and

912
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:56,940
it's part of the process of really

913
00:38:02,089 --> 00:38:00,480
figuring out what's true and so with

914
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:02,099
that that's enough Flat Earth nonsense

915
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:04,260
you know what you said also that kind of

916
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,119
resonated me quick story have you ever

917
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,119
heard of uh Rich Martini uh the guy he

918
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:10,800
did a movie he's a Hollywood guy and he

919
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:12,300
did a movie called flip side he really

920
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:14,520
got into past life regression in between

921
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,140
life regression

922
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:18,000
so anyways anyone who wants to go watch

923
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,320
this movie there's this kind of seminal

924
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,780
point in it where he's at this weekend

925
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,040
retreat and they're doing these past

926
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:25,680
life aggressions this one woman has this

927
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,040
past life regression and she's in a

928
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,280
concentration camp and she's walking to

929
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,440
the gas Chambers and suddenly she

930
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:36,480
realizes that that's what's happening

931
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,300
you know and she's like frantic and

932
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,760
she's like at least I'm gonna attack a

933
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:43,200
guard you know I'll take somebody with

934
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,500
me or this and that and then she goes no

935
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:48,900
I'm just going to be with my people and

936
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,020
I'm just going to settle into this and

937
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:54,839
then she gets to the spiritual realm

938
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,420
immediately right above it and she

939
00:39:01,069 --> 00:39:00,060
realizes she has this empathy for the

940
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:01,079
guards

941
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:04,740
because she realizes that the burden

942
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,260
that they are going to carry from this

943
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,020
experience is so much greater that she

944
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,480
has died and she will be reborn and all

945
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:15,119
that they will they have this like I

946
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:16,920
hate the term but karmic kind of thing

947
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,359
that they're going to have to unravel

948
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:19,920
and their kids are going to have to

949
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:22,440
unravel and all the rest of that so like

950
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:25,079
that connects directly to me with kind

951
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:27,480
of what you're saying on this more

952
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:30,060
important level than kind of the Flat

953
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:31,740
Earth level

954
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,980
yeah I mean I think I think it's a you

955
00:39:39,730 --> 00:39:36,660
know it's a it's a small zoomed in thing

956
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:39,740
dealing with right now and I I am

957
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,200
obsessed with autonomy and allowing

958
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,599
people to be in their own process so I

959
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:48,060
believe that if you want to be a Mormon

960
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,900
be a Mormon as long as your version uh

961
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:54,240
your way of expressing reality doesn't

962
00:39:58,510 --> 00:39:56,339
involve infringing on the rights of

963
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,520
other people and I think sometimes

964
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,480
prosperization is infringing on the

965
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,700
rights of other people but

966
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:05,280
um when and I don't

967
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:07,740
I got so I get like downloads of things

968
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,140
that are coming and in 2019

969
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,480
I got downloads about the the phase of

970
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:14,000
the Awakening that we were coming into

971
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,099
would be a level of Consciousness where

972
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:20,160
you would realize I used I think I used

973
00:40:25,309 --> 00:40:23,099
rape as the as an example because it

974
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,319
needed to carry the weight of this

975
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,619
imagine coming out of a drunken stupor

976
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:30,000
and realizing that you've been raped

977
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,520
that's horrible that's horrible right

978
00:40:37,309 --> 00:40:35,280
I've done it multiple times now imagine

979
00:40:40,329 --> 00:40:37,319
coming out of a drunken stupor and

980
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:40,339
realizing you had raped someone

981
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:46,220
arguably if you are not a just [\h__\h] bag

982
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:48,599
very few people actually

983
00:40:53,809 --> 00:40:52,020
worse I mean I personally would rather

984
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,819
be the victim than the villain nine

985
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,579
times out of ten because the weight of

986
00:41:00,970 --> 00:40:58,500
being consciously aware

987
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:00,980
so we don't remember our past lives yet

988
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,720
but what what has been happening for the

989
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:05,760
last couple of years where suddenly we

990
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:07,800
are able to look at our past in this

991
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:10,800
country with real eyes without this

992
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:15,420
dissociated propaganda version of the

993
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:17,940
things we've all been complicit in we're

994
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,800
able to look at this and there is a

995
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:22,079
grief and there is a heaviness with that

996
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:24,359
and it takes bravery and vulnerability

997
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,240
to say I'm not going to just pick a side

998
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:29,460
and say that this is I'm going to do the

999
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:33,599
work of like saying like I did this I

1000
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:36,960
hurt people I I benefit from A system

1001
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:40,140
that hurts people I've contributed to

1002
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:43,619
this thing and karmically this goes way

1003
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,960
back I think this is a massive massive

1004
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:47,700
part of the work

1005
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:49,560
and

1006
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:52,500
I I think there's a potential people

1007
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:54,300
talk about this closure I don't I don't

1008
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:55,380
believe that's going to come from the

1009
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:57,000
government saying aliens are real I

1010
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,740
believe disclosure is an internal thing

1011
00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:01,200
that's happening for us and that a big a

1012
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,380
big part of the disclosure is

1013
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:06,780
um the memory of our past lives coming

1014
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,800
back

1015
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,119
which

1016
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,280
people are waiting for some big ball to

1017
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:14,520
drop where it suddenly shifts Society

1018
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,579
shifts the World overnight what would do

1019
00:42:21,970 --> 00:42:19,280
that more

1020
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:21,980
than remembering

1021
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:24,780
your time as the thing that you think

1022
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,839
you are in opposition of

1023
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:30,960
yeah I think definitely and we see that

1024
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:33,180
from people that's what they report you

1025
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:35,220
know of having like that's the rich

1026
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:36,900
Martini story is you have that

1027
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,180
experience and it changes you and you

1028
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:41,280
just said that you know earlier about

1029
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:43,560
yourself of having that

1030
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:45,960
that download or that experience of

1031
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:48,900
being actually you had like did you do

1032
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,579
like a formal past life regression it

1033
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,280
was kind of a spontaneous past life kind

1034
00:42:56,809 --> 00:42:55,619
of thing experience

1035
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,819
um I really don't know any of my past

1036
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,500
lives other than I have some memories of

1037
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,680
Atlantis but I mean the victim just when

1038
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,880
you're saying you know the victim

1039
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:05,160
perpetrator kind of thing that that you

1040
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:06,420
kind of

1041
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:09,420
yeah that was in this real this lifetime

1042
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,579
and then and then I could take that

1043
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,680
information and retroactively look at

1044
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:15,660
like personal relationships in which I

1045
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:17,099
thought I was the victim but no that was

1046
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:19,980
just something that happened in in 2020

1047
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,280
okay yeah no that's that's cool and I I

1048
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:26,160
think you know Moy you know this is this

1049
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,020
first date is really going well I just

1050
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:30,660
have to say so we we could go on for a

1051
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:33,240
long time but we we ought to try and

1052
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,440
move towards wrapping it up and like

1053
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,359
you know you said the Mormon thing and

1054
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:42,000
I'm like I want to nod my head and say

1055
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,079
yeah

1056
00:43:49,329 --> 00:43:46,319
but I want to say in the same way that

1057
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:49,339
like if we're gonna pin down the the

1058
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,500
historical ills of the United States of

1059
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:55,200
America where I point to is always like

1060
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:58,380
slavery right you know it's like wow and

1061
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,300
there's still so many apologists today

1062
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:01,920
and I have them on the phone and goes oh

1063
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:04,020
no you know only a fraction of the

1064
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:05,700
people in the South and I'm married into

1065
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,520
the South I'm married in you know but

1066
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:11,220
it's only a fraction of people small

1067
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:12,780
percentage people you know own slave

1068
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,420
it's like well that's just not true

1069
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:17,940
I mean go look it up it's just not true

1070
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:20,940
it's fudging the numbers in South

1071
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,359
Carolina 50 of the people were connected

1072
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:26,160
directly to slavery which means like he

1073
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,020
had a slave in your family

1074
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,480
or you owned a slave the way they fudge

1075
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,640
the numbers is they go well you're a

1076
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:34,920
family of six but only one person the

1077
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:37,859
man the lead guy owned the slaves now is

1078
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:40,680
that real that's not real you have 10

1079
00:44:44,770 --> 00:44:42,420
slaves the whole family you're all

1080
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:44,780
connected to it right so that's just

1081
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:48,060
changing the numbers so like to me

1082
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,000
that's like step one like [\h__\h] black

1083
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,040
lives matter what a fake [\h__\h]

1084
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,280
[\h__\h] thing let's just let's just own

1085
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,520
our history can't we like agree on like

1086
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:01,800
that fact that I said before we even get

1087
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:04,619
into BLM can we just agree that that

1088
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:08,700
really happened and then after after

1089
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,180
slavery ended the Ku Klux Klan came in

1090
00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:14,760
and just terrorized those people in the

1091
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,619
white people down there into being just

1092
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:18,780
the way that they were before that's our

1093
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,900
freaking history man I mean so I switch

1094
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,640
over to the Mormon thing and I say the

1095
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,280
same thing it's like no it ain't cool

1096
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:29,280
being a Mormon the history there sucks

1097
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:32,460
and the the relationship to women the

1098
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:34,619
relationship to African Americans the

1099
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:37,920
relationship to everyone it it sucks you

1100
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:41,700
you gotta you gotta own that and if you

1101
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,619
own that I think the whole institution

1102
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,960
just kind of collapses on its own weight

1103
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,940
to a certain extent the only way it

1104
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:50,160
survives is if we kind of continue to

1105
00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:52,440
prop it up and you know I think Tom

1106
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:55,619
Cruise is is an awesome actor and I I

1107
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:57,420
love Maverick but he's a freaking

1108
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,420
Scientologist and that's just stupid man

1109
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:02,880
I mean that's just craziness

1110
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,940
yeah you're right you're right I

1111
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,859
um it's hard to pick a religion that's

1112
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:11,040
not uh steeped in the oppression of

1113
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:12,540
other people

1114
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:13,740
um

1115
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,540
I guess what I mean is if you want to

1116
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:17,940
have some kooky beliefs and you have

1117
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,040
found a way to keep that [\h__\h] in your

1118
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:22,680
own Aura in your own personal life and

1119
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,500
not obviously try to legislate other

1120
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,960
people's lives according to your kooky

1121
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:30,000
beliefs and

1122
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:31,560
um yeah that the entire thing isn't

1123
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:34,140
built on the oppression of

1124
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:36,420
um other people yeah so I that was a

1125
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:39,780
terrible example um thank you no I let

1126
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,460
me let me rush to your defense because

1127
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,260
it's not terrible it's exactly what you

1128
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,119
what you just said it's like because

1129
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,560
that's the flip side you know what you

1130
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:48,240
said earlier that I really wanted to

1131
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:49,800
draw out because you say so many

1132
00:46:53,809 --> 00:46:51,000
brilliant things and I'm just kind of

1133
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:53,819
combative by nature but many of the

1134
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:55,260
things you've said really resonate with

1135
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,700
me so one of the things you said is

1136
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,800
paradox you know our biggest challenge

1137
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,300
is to be able to deal with Paradox

1138
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,920
because everywhere you turn is paradox

1139
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:03,780
and I think you just laid out a

1140
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,060
beautiful Paradox about you know the

1141
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,700
Mormonism thing like like you did in

1142
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:11,520
your sphere you know what would would

1143
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:14,700
you or I say that you can't be Mormon

1144
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,000
and live a rich positive spiritual life

1145
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:21,599
that uplifts all your community and your

1146
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:24,359
family of course you can you know what I

1147
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,940
mean so it's like that's the Paradox in

1148
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,440
some ways you could even say it works

1149
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:30,000
better because a lot of the values that

1150
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:31,740
are built into that are kind of give you

1151
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,480
a leg up on doing that rather than some

1152
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:35,460
of the crazy values so what do you think

1153
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:37,020
about that

1154
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:39,720
yeah I do think it is this is that

1155
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,819
victim villain thing too because I did a

1156
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,200
five-year stint in Born Again

1157
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:45,599
Christianity and

1158
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,559
um

1159
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:48,180
in that

1160
00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:50,700
you know very oppressive against women

1161
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:52,920
you know I suffered a lot of trauma

1162
00:47:58,270 --> 00:47:54,780
because I don't I didn't look or acts

1163
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:58,280
like a woman enough or or whatever while

1164
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:01,800
simultaneously believing that and to

1165
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:03,300
this day there's this like Christian

1166
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,200
martyrdom thing where uh Christians

1167
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:09,920
believe themselves to be being

1168
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:11,540
persecuted

1169
00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:14,760
by not being allowed to force other

1170
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,720
people to do so they're taking

1171
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:19,920
prayer out of school so it's like no dog

1172
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,500
they're just not forcing people from

1173
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:24,420
other cultures to pray to your God you

1174
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,339
[\h__\h] weirdos nobody's telling you you

1175
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:29,460
can't pray but that when you are used to

1176
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,619
being the dominant Force which I think

1177
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,200
is so much of what is happening and what

1178
00:48:39,049 --> 00:48:37,200
I truly think the work is right now is

1179
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:39,059
looking at the ways in which we are

1180
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,540
complicit in oppression not getting hung

1181
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,819
up in the is this movement good or bad

1182
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:46,800
because that's to me just to cop out to

1183
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:50,040
not do the work of the the semantics of

1184
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:53,220
whatever we benefit from A system that

1185
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,800
has oppressed black people since this

1186
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,880
country started it's the best way

1187
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:58,319
knowledge I'm not great with history but

1188
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,180
to this day we benefit from this system

1189
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:03,000
can you sit in that discomfort can you

1190
00:49:07,549 --> 00:49:05,460
open your heart can you make amends

1191
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,559
you know can you rather than expecting

1192
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:09,839
that person who's been hurt to do the

1193
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:12,359
work and get over it like can we go man

1194
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:14,220
I want to make this right and and take

1195
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:16,140
that into your personal relationships as

1196
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,660
well we're so conditioned to not know

1197
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,099
how to open our hearts and just

1198
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:22,740
apologize and make amends for things

1199
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:24,599
that you you'll be in love with someone

1200
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:25,980
you're married for five years you spend

1201
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:27,240
the whole time fighting trying to be

1202
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:28,079
right

1203
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:30,540
trying to be so what you know

1204
00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:34,740
so I don't remember how I got onto that

1205
00:49:42,049 --> 00:49:37,740
thing but I think yeah I think can you

1206
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:42,059
be a Christian and and not need to let

1207
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,680
like that should not be your cool you

1208
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:48,240
can do that

1209
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,740
um just like you can believe in flat

1210
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:51,839
hurts now if you start trying to make

1211
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,780
laws that affect my life with your flat

1212
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:56,640
earthiness

1213
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:59,099
I don't but I I just want everyone to

1214
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,420
believe whatever they believe I believe

1215
00:50:06,049 --> 00:50:03,359
I'm an alien I mean I I want the freedom

1216
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,059
for everyone to have that but we have to

1217
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,640
learn we have to mature to the place

1218
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:11,359
where we let people be their perspective

1219
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,220
without imposing

1220
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:17,280
our perspective onto them or you know in

1221
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:18,540
the case of some of these things we're

1222
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,619
talking about

1223
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:21,599
are we imposing our perspective or have

1224
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,880
we shaped our perspective to morally

1225
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:26,400
justify ways in which we've hurt other

1226
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:28,380
people you know

1227
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,839
yeah obviously people can see that

1228
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:32,760
there's a lot of a lot of different ways

1229
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,220
to take that I I think where we're

1230
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,440
heading in this conversation though is

1231
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:40,380
like the starting point and in a lot of

1232
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:42,660
ways the common ground and I think one

1233
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:44,099
of the things that's that's what I think

1234
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,980
is cool about in general the work that

1235
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:49,140
you're doing is that

1236
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:51,780
like both of us are grounded in this

1237
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:54,540
spiritual and non-dual perspective

1238
00:50:59,329 --> 00:50:56,220
whether you want to call it non-dual or

1239
00:51:02,510 --> 00:50:59,339
not that's what it is you know and

1240
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:02,520
that grounding makes all this stuff look

1241
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:04,859
totally different because it makes this

1242
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,420
life look totally it makes this life

1243
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,940
look like you said not like a joke in a

1244
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:11,520
bad way but like a a friendly joke you

1245
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,559
know a good family joke you could tell

1246
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,720
around the table and it also makes race

1247
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:17,760
look like that it makes race look like

1248
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:21,359
come on are you are you kidding me like

1249
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,260
race really like okay yeah well we did

1250
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:27,839
it I mean we we own all that stuff we've

1251
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,880
done all that stuff that's still being

1252
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,680
done here that's being done around the

1253
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,839
world we have to own it we can't turn

1254
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:36,180
our head away from it but it's kind of

1255
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:37,859
part of the cosmic joke so I don't get

1256
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,460
too caught up in that either and look at

1257
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:43,500
this process of what you're talking

1258
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:45,780
about of Awakening and then I think the

1259
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:48,180
other the other thing that I really do

1260
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:50,940
Vibe with you so well is that don't

1261
00:51:56,510 --> 00:51:54,780
forget E.T I mean because now like you

1262
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:56,520
were saying about disclosure

1263
00:52:00,349 --> 00:51:57,960
the thing that always gets me about

1264
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,359
disclosure is disclosure is over I mean

1265
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,819
you can't have more disclosure than New

1266
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,980
York Times front page and I interviewed

1267
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:07,440
Leslie Kane I consider her a friend you

1268
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,540
know interviewed her multiple times and

1269
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,760
I Ralph Blumenthal the two people who

1270
00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:14,160
you know wrote the article for the New

1271
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,819
York Times but so having said that you

1272
00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:18,960
know the government is out the

1273
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:20,819
government's saying okay here's E.T and

1274
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:23,220
look out because now we have to you know

1275
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:25,800
it's all about the Pentagon big surprise

1276
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:27,720
oh really but

1277
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:30,420
and the first guy who comes forward is

1278
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:33,420
you know counterintelligence right Lou

1279
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,720
Elizondo yeah so yeah there's disclosure

1280
00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:38,940
there's aliens and let's bring in our

1281
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:41,819
Conor intelligence guy he'd be the one

1282
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:43,740
that you want to do that but there's a

1283
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:45,660
another reality of that is that you

1284
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,180
can't deny that that that's real so that

1285
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:49,920
they denied it for seven years so now

1286
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:52,020
it's real and

1287
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,380
I guess my point a lot of babbling is to

1288
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:58,079
hold those two things

1289
00:53:01,130 --> 00:53:00,119
and to move forward which is what you're

1290
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:01,140
doing

1291
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:03,300
hats off to you because it's it's so

1292
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,460
hard to so hard to to do that I think

1293
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:07,800
what has that been your experience and

1294
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:09,720
working with other people and talking to

1295
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:13,020
other people or how do you find that

1296
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:16,020
I you know most of what I understand

1297
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:18,180
about the world I've learned through

1298
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:25,370
um myself and so you know I'm now at a

1299
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:28,920
place of right after waking up I had

1300
00:53:33,470 --> 00:53:31,020
information that aliens gave me so it

1301
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:33,480
was like there'll be no more at this or

1302
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,099
that no right or wrong light or dark

1303
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:37,200
male or female I didn't know what that

1304
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,900
meant at the time like these boxes they

1305
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,520
called them not we call them constructs

1306
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,920
now they called um parameters these are

1307
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:45,839
made up so everything you've understand

1308
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:48,180
to be reality is is something that like

1309
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:49,380
the

1310
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:52,020
Collective Consciousness wrote out as

1311
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:53,880
the map of this game

1312
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:56,760
um those will dissolve and uh kind of

1313
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,319
new thing will rise up that is more

1314
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:03,839
fluid for a while

1315
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,500
um I have found that we are just

1316
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,079
starting to turn the corner as a

1317
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,000
collective because this is a process you

1318
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:14,280
don't come from being dead the [\h__\h]

1319
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,059
asleep to just you get it it's like the

1320
00:54:22,329 --> 00:54:20,160
imagery I always get is is deep sea

1321
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:22,339
divers you have to come up slow

1322
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:24,900
otherwise you're going to and you see

1323
00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:26,460
certain people shoot up too fast and

1324
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:30,359
they end up 51.50 and that's why I part

1325
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,140
of this process is is saying not

1326
00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:36,780
spiritually bypassing to we're all one

1327
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,660
you know but rather saying [\h__\h] yeah

1328
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:41,460
this was a construct but you got really

1329
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:44,339
hurt and I I benefited from you getting

1330
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,780
really hurt in this contract so I'm

1331
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:47,520
going to sit here in this moment because

1332
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:50,460
we do have a need to be seen by one

1333
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,640
another in order to

1334
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,859
come back into Unity Consciousness we're

1335
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:57,359
not going to jump cut to that so we're

1336
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:59,160
in this process I I believe we're about

1337
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:01,319
halfway through it

1338
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,900
um and Paradox is in there and we are

1339
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:05,520
used to having a team I'm on the red

1340
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:07,559
team I'm on the blue team I'm on the you

1341
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,380
know I'm I am opposed to this and I

1342
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,720
think the next two years

1343
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:14,720
um are really going to be focused about

1344
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:17,700
what in the external reality do you

1345
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:20,520
believe is your identity like what do

1346
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:24,660
you identify as and Is that real and is

1347
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,180
that true and is that programming and

1348
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:29,640
are you refusing to see Humanity in

1349
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:31,140
someone you believe

1350
00:55:36,289 --> 00:55:33,480
has the wrong Identity or believes in

1351
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,299
the wrong thing we are not our beliefs

1352
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:38,640
you know those are constructs and so

1353
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:39,900
we're going to be getting challenged

1354
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,400
there's going to be a lot of really

1355
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:43,619
obvious

1356
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:44,280
um

1357
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,780
in our personal lives it's just my

1358
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:50,700
understanding of what's coming

1359
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:53,940
um if you are refusing to see your own

1360
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,780
hypocrisy or you know

1361
00:56:01,970 --> 00:56:00,240
um you are entrenched in what you think

1362
00:56:05,569 --> 00:56:01,980
is right you're going to have the

1363
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,579
opposite so if you visit a discomfort on

1364
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,680
somebody else

1365
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:09,119
because that's immediately going to be

1366
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:11,579
visited back on you as an attempt to

1367
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:13,380
kind of shake us out of that and get us

1368
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:16,980
into a more being able to hold

1369
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:19,020
because it's all just Paradox which will

1370
00:56:22,609 --> 00:56:20,819
can drive you nuts I have a hard time

1371
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:22,619
sometimes having an opinion on anything

1372
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,140
because I can see how all of it is true

1373
00:56:29,329 --> 00:56:27,359
I wanted to ask you do you believe that

1374
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:29,339
we haven't that we share an energetic

1375
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:31,980
grid here what specifically do you mean

1376
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,540
Jessup

1377
00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:36,000
um the way that I see it I heard other

1378
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:37,079
people talk about the grid and didn't

1379
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:38,520
know what they were talking about and I

1380
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,059
saw it one day that we are connected you

1381
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,680
know we have like the

1382
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:45,599
Aura the energy field around us and that

1383
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:47,160
those energy fields are connected by

1384
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,559
kind of an Internet

1385
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:51,119
energetic internet

1386
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,440
that is it does look like a grid and

1387
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:58,559
um we the information that we bring into

1388
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:01,319
the grid affects the grid we also pick

1389
00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:04,020
up information from the grid so when you

1390
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:06,500
are seeking truth

1391
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:09,240
this is just my understanding of it you

1392
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,420
are injecting that truth into the grid

1393
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,700
where it is available

1394
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,400
for other people to pick up it is

1395
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,440
available for us to collectively decide

1396
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:21,359
to pick up

1397
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:24,359
um as our new paradigm our new

1398
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,559
constructs

1399
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,480
also when you heal your [\h__\h] when you

1400
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,520
heal your own racism when you heal your

1401
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,960
own

1402
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:33,599
um you know uh uh what I'm calling

1403
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:35,940
internalized capitalism this like I'm

1404
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,319
not calling someone let's call that but

1405
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,119
I resonate with this idea that we are

1406
00:57:43,789 --> 00:57:41,760
all driven as some sort of like worker

1407
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,799
bees that we're not doing enough and

1408
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:46,319
it's it's kind of a rogue program that

1409
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:47,940
we're applying to things that doesn't go

1410
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,760
with codependency when you heal these

1411
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:53,520
things you do affect

1412
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,460
the Grid in a way that we start to say

1413
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:58,500
like maybe these codependent ideas of

1414
00:58:01,970 --> 00:58:00,660
Love are not serving us and that we are

1415
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,980
hurting each other

1416
00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:03,359
and

1417
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:05,339
you don't have to get on the microphone

1418
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,020
and talk about that to affect that

1419
00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:09,180
change you don't have to make sure that

1420
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:10,859
people understand that this is your

1421
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:14,280
right you can just download that absorb

1422
00:58:18,049 --> 00:58:16,440
that research that whatever your flavor

1423
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:18,059
whatever you're bringing to the

1424
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:20,280
collective and you bring it into the

1425
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:23,220
grid which is our

1426
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:25,319
Collective space while we are

1427
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:28,980
experiencing individual reality

1428
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:31,559
so you know I'm okay with the grid as a

1429
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:33,780
metaphor I'm just struggled with a

1430
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:35,940
little bit when people try and add a

1431
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:38,880
level of technical reality to it because

1432
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:42,540
again I'm kind of schooled in that I was

1433
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,240
a PhD in artificial intelligence before

1434
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,040
I left and start starting my own AI

1435
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:50,160
company I'm deep into the technology or

1436
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,140
at least an understanding back in the

1437
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:54,839
day I don't that's way past me now

1438
00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:57,540
but there's always been this tendency to

1439
00:59:02,569 --> 00:59:00,299
want to take what is a really good

1440
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:02,579
metaphor which is the computer and kind

1441
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:06,180
of apply it to this reality and it

1442
00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:07,980
always also always ties into this

1443
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:09,720
special place and time that we're at and

1444
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:12,480
it's like God that just doesn't just

1445
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:15,000
quickly just scan history so many people

1446
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:16,079
that thought they were at a special

1447
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:18,420
place in time you know 100 years ago a

1448
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,220
thousand years ago more than that you

1449
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:22,500
know so I'm resistant to that and I'm

1450
00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:25,440
also resistant to it just because again

1451
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:27,299
I've been super interested in yoga for a

1452
00:59:33,289 --> 00:59:30,119
long time and you look at that tradition

1453
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:33,299
of that seeking tradition and you just

1454
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:35,460
see the same [\h__\h] coming up you know and

1455
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,040
people who are just saying I just need

1456
00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:39,839
to get out of it I need to get out of

1457
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,119
the whole thing I need to and not that

1458
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,680
there's not that that's perfect you're

1459
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:46,680
messed up but when you see you know neem

1460
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:50,160
karoli Baba walking around with nothing

1461
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:53,220
but a broken Bowl on his head and a wrap

1462
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,319
around his thing and living like that

1463
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:57,540
for years just walking from town to town

1464
01:00:03,410 --> 01:00:00,900
you're going why would he do that

1465
01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:03,420
well why he's doing that is just to say

1466
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,500
all this is fake but unless I experience

1467
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:10,400
it on a minute by minute

1468
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:14,460
basis I will be sucked back into this

1469
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,299
reality so he if there was a grid he was

1470
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:20,880
saying I'm stepping out of the grid and

1471
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:23,099
I I you know I'm not going to kill

1472
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,900
myself I'm not going to jump in the lake

1473
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:27,000
to step out of the grid but I'm going to

1474
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,859
step out of the Grid in this way and see

1475
01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:30,240
what that brings me

1476
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:33,299
and I just think that to me resonates

1477
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,099
with me from a spiritual practice

1478
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,960
standpoint that's what I need to do

1479
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:38,880
every day that's what I need to do when

1480
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,380
I get into the ice bath that's what I

1481
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:43,200
need to do when I do yoga I need to step

1482
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:44,940
out of the grid what do you think about

1483
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:46,260
that

1484
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:51,540
I because I use the The Matrix and video

1485
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:54,720
games and movies a lot as analogies

1486
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:56,819
because I think they're we created those

1487
01:01:02,569 --> 01:01:00,960
to try to articulate what reality is but

1488
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,579
I think sometimes people think I think

1489
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:03,839
we actually live in a computer

1490
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:06,599
simulation and I don't actually believe

1491
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:08,520
that and as far as the grid is a

1492
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:09,599
physical thing I don't know it is

1493
01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:12,480
definitely a metaphor I I don't think

1494
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:14,099
I've come to a place yet where I

1495
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:16,020
understand the way in which we are

1496
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:19,500
connected I would say

1497
01:01:27,230 --> 01:01:22,680
um yeah we are sharing uh Consciousness

1498
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:27,240
somehow and that I don't resonate with

1499
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,920
the mainstream consciousness

1500
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,839
you know when I got addicted to math it

1501
01:01:37,789 --> 01:01:35,760
was kind of an accident and then I was

1502
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:37,799
actually relieved like when when my

1503
01:01:43,089 --> 01:01:39,180
family was like don't go down this path

1504
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:43,099
you know I felt so disillusioned with

1505
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:45,420
the reality where I'm just like

1506
01:01:50,329 --> 01:01:47,700
everyone's when I got old enough to find

1507
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,339
out that magic wasn't real I'm like so

1508
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,079
life is just working a job that you hate

1509
01:01:54,890 --> 01:01:53,520
so that you can afford a house you don't

1510
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:54,900
give a [\h__\h] about so you can say in a

1511
01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:56,220
relationship that's already done of

1512
01:02:00,349 --> 01:01:57,720
course like let me off of this train

1513
01:02:02,809 --> 01:02:00,359
meth addiction cool

1514
01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:02,819
it'll only cost me my teeth in it

1515
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,099
because this sucks like whatever this

1516
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:06,480
hamster really sucks

1517
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,599
so yeah I think to a certain extent what

1518
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,099
I'm trying to articulate is that there

1519
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,720
is a way for us to enact change that

1520
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,160
doesn't necessarily have to be so

1521
01:02:18,529 --> 01:02:16,319
externally controlling I think we are

1522
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:18,539
coming out of an externalized reality

1523
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:20,819
going into an internalized reality and I

1524
01:02:26,089 --> 01:02:23,880
like this idea of us sharing a grid for

1525
01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:26,099
that we can share information which is

1526
01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:28,619
like to the best of my knowledge how it

1527
01:02:33,529 --> 01:02:30,900
how it plays out in higher like less

1528
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:33,539
dense realities is there is a collective

1529
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:36,839
Consciousness that is not

1530
01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:39,960
so grabby and demanding but yes

1531
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,500
absolutely I think that the shielding uh

1532
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:46,079
programming the grid without

1533
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,079
being played by the grid

1534
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:50,880
yeah I would definitely agree with that

1535
01:02:56,510 --> 01:02:54,000
and yeah I'm I've just discovered cold

1536
01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:56,520
water or it's been helping me a lot with

1537
01:03:00,289 --> 01:02:58,140
anxiety I haven't gotten to ice baths

1538
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,299
but I've gotten to bowls of water bowls

1539
01:03:04,730 --> 01:03:02,520
of ice water in my face and cold showers

1540
01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:04,740
and yeah it's

1541
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,119
and learning about the nervous system

1542
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,920
and breathing I knew it was going to be

1543
01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:09,839
something stupid I knew we were going to

1544
01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:11,640
level up and it was going to be so dumb

1545
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,140
like hey you've just been shallow

1546
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:14,640
breathing breathe deep and you're going

1547
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,900
to be able to access these parts of

1548
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:17,760
yourself but then when it was literally

1549
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:20,940
breathing and like water it's been it's

1550
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,160
been pretty funny to find out like oh

1551
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,960
there you are

1552
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:27,839
that's awesome that's so do you do the

1553
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:30,960
formal breathing like uh Wim Hof

1554
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,420
not yet

1555
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:35,460
I just encourage you to look into it I

1556
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,520
mean I've done it for years and uh you

1557
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,319
just immediately feel better and it's a

1558
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:42,960
physiological thing you know endorphin

1559
01:03:48,049 --> 01:03:46,380
release DMT release whatever

1560
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:48,059
but what I always thought was so

1561
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,500
interesting and still do about Wim

1562
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,359
office a lot of people don't know the

1563
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,760
swim Hof's just a [\h__\h] Yogi I mean he

1564
01:03:57,730 --> 01:03:55,500
is when he was 16 years old he was

1565
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:57,740
cutting out yoga

1566
01:04:02,510 --> 01:04:00,180
books you know and pasting them again I

1567
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:02,520
mean it's all yoga even the breathing is

1568
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:06,359
directly yoga but the ice and cold is a

1569
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,819
city you know they call them a yoga kind

1570
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:10,559
of thing and it's so it has all these

1571
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:12,420
physiological benefits but what it

1572
01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:15,180
really is just about is you got this

1573
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:17,339
chattering going up there that I've

1574
01:04:21,849 --> 01:04:18,780
heard you talk about it you know that

1575
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:21,859
little guy up there and it's like

1576
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:24,480
deciding making a decision that today

1577
01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:27,180
I'm going to enter into that ice bath

1578
01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:28,440
you know

1579
01:04:32,089 --> 01:04:30,420
and then you just you're forced to

1580
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:32,099
listen to that chatter and it's like oh

1581
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:33,900
no you know oh you know you've done

1582
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,460
every day you know hundreds of time you

1583
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:37,280
don't take a day off

1584
01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:41,280
and it's it it's an easy way to kind of

1585
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:44,579
confront something that is physically

1586
01:04:49,309 --> 01:04:47,339
demanding but not really you know you're

1587
01:04:51,770 --> 01:04:49,319
not skydiving or anything you're gonna

1588
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,780
get over it and the cold shower does

1589
01:04:56,270 --> 01:04:53,520
just as good because no one wants to get

1590
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,280
in a cold shower so you want to any I

1591
01:05:00,109 --> 01:04:57,599
would encourage you anyone who wants a

1592
01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:00,119
it doesn't hear what you're saying about

1593
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,240
the voice when you talk about the voice

1594
01:05:07,609 --> 01:05:05,280
go in a cold shower you'll hear that

1595
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:07,619
freaking voice right away right

1596
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:12,000
yeah yeah no it's been uh it's been I I

1597
01:05:17,529 --> 01:05:14,700
almost died again in January of this

1598
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:17,539
year and uh I came out of that one

1599
01:05:24,770 --> 01:05:22,619
infinitely more traumatized and I uh

1600
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,780
yeah just kind of had really intense

1601
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:26,640
anxiety and panic attacks to where I

1602
01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:27,599
thought there was something wrong with

1603
01:05:33,049 --> 01:05:29,819
my heart and I went to the doctor and

1604
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:33,059
she was like this is grief dog so like

1605
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:34,740
many things in my life I discovered this

1606
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:38,220
through necessity and it's crazy it's

1607
01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:39,780
crazy I get knocked into that kind of

1608
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:41,700
trauma response and I just go get in a

1609
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:43,859
cold shower and then I'm I'm focused on

1610
01:05:48,349 --> 01:05:45,960
raising my tolerance

1611
01:05:51,710 --> 01:05:48,359
to the cold you know I'm screaming like

1612
01:05:54,349 --> 01:05:51,720
a whole baby and then I come out and I'm

1613
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,359
like oh my God this is amazing I can't

1614
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:56,220
imagine what an ice bath would do but

1615
01:06:00,770 --> 01:05:57,900
yeah well you know one other one other

1616
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:00,780
kind of hack that I'd throw your way and

1617
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:02,760
you're already there but with the

1618
01:06:08,210 --> 01:06:05,220
breathing if you do practice the

1619
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:08,220
breathing oh man you're in for a real

1620
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:11,839
treat in terms of uh anxiety because

1621
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:14,760
you're directly creating that experience

1622
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,280
the flight or fight you're like

1623
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:19,200
intentionally putting yourself in that

1624
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:20,760
with a breath hold and you say okay I'm

1625
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:21,960
gonna hold my breath for two minutes

1626
01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:24,480
when you first start to do that you're

1627
01:06:31,069 --> 01:06:28,260
panicky you know and then the logic says

1628
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:31,079
but I can breathe at any time right so

1629
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,299
it's like well where is the I'm panicky

1630
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:36,000
but I'm totally in control of it and

1631
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,099
then you're confronted with oh [\h__\h] I've

1632
01:06:42,109 --> 01:06:39,839
always been in control of the whole damn

1633
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:42,119
thing anyway I just kind of kitted

1634
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:43,559
myself you know what I mean it and it's

1635
01:06:49,069 --> 01:06:45,920
not that easy I'm not at all because

1636
01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:49,079
I've been there with all that stuff and

1637
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:51,059
you know but you get what I'm saying

1638
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,900
right

1639
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:54,480
yeah no I that make

1640
01:06:57,890 --> 01:06:55,859
let me try it more something I noticed

1641
01:06:59,930 --> 01:06:57,900
when the heart palpitations would start

1642
01:07:01,789 --> 01:06:59,940
is I would realize I was holding my

1643
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:01,799
breath which my doctor said is something

1644
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:03,960
she sees kids do a lot but not adults

1645
01:07:10,609 --> 01:07:07,680
necessarily and then I breathe this deep

1646
01:07:12,049 --> 01:07:10,619
ordinarily so just like I you know I

1647
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:12,059
have a lot of like some sensitivities

1648
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,420
and and I just get forced

1649
01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:18,240
to release certain things I also don't

1650
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:22,020
meditate I mean I is something I am just

1651
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,099
kind of letting come naturally but I

1652
01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:28,319
think we are collectively realizing that

1653
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,220
this

1654
01:07:35,870 --> 01:07:31,920
coming into our bodies

1655
01:07:37,309 --> 01:07:35,880
is the answer to a lot of this stuff

1656
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:37,319
so Jessa where are you going to take

1657
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,780
this this work I mean there's a lot of

1658
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,760
potential areas you look like you're

1659
01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:44,160
kind of exploring a lot of things at the

1660
01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:47,700
same time where do you see your public

1661
01:07:51,410 --> 01:07:49,260
work going

1662
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:51,420
I am coming out of a numerological year

1663
01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:54,420
seven and I'm coming out of you know I

1664
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:56,520
got hit pretty hard in 2020 I got Lyme

1665
01:08:00,410 --> 01:07:58,440
disease I was kind of bedridden for a

1666
01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:00,420
year just as these things were taking

1667
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:03,000
off and then I had a another medical

1668
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:05,460
event I won't bum your listeners out

1669
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:08,460
with in January

1670
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:10,440
um I also just start things and then

1671
01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:11,940
stop

1672
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:13,980
um I think I might be taking this party

1673
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:17,580
to tick tock I'm finding myself

1674
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:19,620
I had neurological line so it did affect

1675
01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:22,500
my like I lost my vocabulary my memories

1676
01:08:25,789 --> 01:08:24,299
a lot of my references and stuff haven't

1677
01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:25,799
really come back so this could inform

1678
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,460
this but I'm finding the droning on of

1679
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:31,679
my everything's feeling like opinion for

1680
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,560
me and I'm just coming to a place where

1681
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:37,020
I I don't know I'm I'm losing the the

1682
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:39,480
gas to do it and like I said there are

1683
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:40,799
so many things I don't want to talk

1684
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:43,259
about I just like I go is this am I

1685
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:45,000
bringing something to this if not I

1686
01:08:49,309 --> 01:08:46,560
don't you don't need my opinions on

1687
01:08:50,809 --> 01:08:49,319
whether or not you do this I don't I

1688
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:50,819
don't want to be in that conversation I

1689
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:52,859
don't want the responsibility of if I'm

1690
01:08:57,289 --> 01:08:55,799
wrong you get hurt I I don't want to

1691
01:09:00,649 --> 01:08:57,299
talk about current events I don't want

1692
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:00,659
to talk about pop culture I just want to

1693
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:03,239
speak to that bridge of early Awakening

1694
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:06,600
it's really all I care about privately I

1695
01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:09,839
can go all kinds of places but all all

1696
01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:11,339
that really like

1697
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,620
makes my heart sing I guess is that

1698
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:15,540
bridge that I didn't have I didn't have

1699
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:18,480
any there was a book called et101 was

1700
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,679
the only thing I ever found that

1701
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:21,600
described what was happening to me and

1702
01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:24,060
it was I do believe there's a benefit to

1703
01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:25,859
the isolation and early Awakening but

1704
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:29,060
giving people practical

1705
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,279
validation but also like how to keep a

1706
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:34,080
foot in each of the worlds because if

1707
01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:35,880
you just blast off into the 12th

1708
01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:38,339
dimension for the entirety you're not

1709
01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:41,339
serving this process that we're in so I

1710
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:44,940
I have a lot of kind of visual

1711
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:46,920
ideas that are kind of funny and stupid

1712
01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:50,100
with the with the metaphor that I use so

1713
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:51,719
I think I might be moving towards that I

1714
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:53,880
do hang out on patreon I I I'm a little

1715
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:55,800
more serious over there

1716
01:10:01,250 --> 01:09:58,560
um also I do

1717
01:10:01,970 --> 01:10:01,260
um tarot would be an overstate bet but I

1718
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:01,980
do

1719
01:10:07,550 --> 01:10:04,679
um readings for

1720
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:07,560
um personal growth I guess I'm thinking

1721
01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:08,820
about maybe doing those a little more

1722
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,219
publicly I tend to hide because I do

1723
01:10:17,149 --> 01:10:13,920
have issues with

1724
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,159
um you know publicly being yeah whatever

1725
01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:20,640
this is no no I didn't mean to to stop

1726
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:22,140
your flow there I just wanted to pull up

1727
01:10:26,030 --> 01:10:24,120
for people your website and maybe you

1728
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:26,040
want to speak to any of these that are

1729
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,980
still relevant and and that people might

1730
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:30,960
you know want to check out you're still

1731
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:34,320
doing Awakening OD occasionally soberish

1732
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:36,300
was your previous podcast that's still

1733
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:39,179
out there uh personal sessions hacking

1734
01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:42,540
abundance course any of those still uh

1735
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:44,940
relevant for you going forward I'm kind

1736
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:47,940
of slowly moving away from Total

1737
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,000
sessions in I'm doing them much much

1738
01:10:55,490 --> 01:10:54,000
less they are helpful there's one where

1739
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,500
you can just you want someone to talk to

1740
01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:57,600
about this stuff and we're just going to

1741
01:11:00,350 --> 01:10:59,159
bounce ideas back and forth it's much

1742
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,360
cheaper because that's not really work

1743
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:02,880
for me it's fun the other one is I don't

1744
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:04,620
want to call this life coaching but it's

1745
01:11:10,250 --> 01:11:06,540
kind of life coaching if you're tied up

1746
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:10,260
in knots you know that's kind of more my

1747
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:12,900
Forte terrible it's all promotion

1748
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:17,880
soberish is you know I change rapidly so

1749
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:19,739
my it's cringy to me that my old

1750
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:21,300
podcasts are still out because I don't

1751
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:23,880
necessarily hold those same perspectives

1752
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:26,460
but I have left them up because they

1753
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:27,960
seem to resonate with people who are on

1754
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:31,560
a similar spot aod is an eighth

1755
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:33,480
dimensional being it's a bit an

1756
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:35,340
eight-dimensional being reluctantly

1757
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:37,620
giving you tips for Life in The Matrix

1758
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:40,920
those are fun it's just

1759
01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:44,760
and the hacking abundance course is I I

1760
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:51,050
it is available if you don't have money

1761
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,940
to pay for it because it's not lost on

1762
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:55,679
me the hacking upon this course we have

1763
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:56,940
an option where you just take it for

1764
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:58,260
free and then send me the money if it

1765
01:12:01,729 --> 01:12:00,120
works for you I would love people to

1766
01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:01,739
have access to this information more

1767
01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:04,440
than I need to gatekeep it so um it's

1768
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:07,020
pretty intensive but also ridiculous

1769
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:09,659
like the video portions are like most

1770
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:12,179
things I do some sort of

1771
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,940
uh weird variety show so yeah all that

1772
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:16,800
stuff that's up there is

1773
01:12:20,689 --> 01:12:18,600
that's the closest I've ever come to

1774
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:20,699
party

1775
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:23,040
well it's awesome and uh I'm so glad

1776
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:24,780
that you that you came out and I think

1777
01:12:30,169 --> 01:12:27,600
we had a lot to really talk about and it

1778
01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:30,179
was a unique conversation and you're

1779
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:32,520
awesome I hope you I hope you keep doing

1780
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,960
it because I know you're serving a lot

1781
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:35,520
of people

1782
01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:37,860
awesome

1783
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:42,060
all right Jess so we will anytime

1784
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:44,280
thanks again to Jessa Reed for joining

1785
01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:46,440
me today on skeptico the one question I

1786
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:49,260
T up from this interview is can we be

1787
01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:51,960
seeking the truth and still be

1788
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:53,400
entertaining

1789
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:56,940
does conspiritainment do good work and

1790
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,300
that it makes for a bigger tent or is it

1791
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,820
poisoning the well to mix metaphors

1792
01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:03,840
there

1793
01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:06,060
let me know your thoughts love to hear

1794
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:08,460
from you lots more to come

1795
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:12,239
until next time take care and bye for

1796
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:13,800
now